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#955834 by Fuzzy14
11 May 2020, 13:09
rubytuesday wrote:G-VROY been transfered to Glasgow for storage from Gatwick it seems. Rumour has it an A330 is going up to Glasgow tomorrow as well. So that will be 2x 747 and 2x A330 in glasgow


Had a cycle past Glasgow Airport at the weekend, parked up for storage is
2 x 747
1 x A332
Didn't see the other one but then again I wasn't looking for it.

Also there is 13 x BA A320s, 1 x TUI 787 with a few 737s, and 3 x FlyBe Q400.
#955855 by mitchja
12 May 2020, 18:36
flyingfox wrote:I knew of the early retirement of the 747 but don’t think I read elsewhere that VS have deferred delivery of the A351;

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... nistration


That only says 6 being deferred. I believe VS ordered 12 originally didn’t they?

I read somewhere that 2 have almost reached completion at Airbus right up to painting the exterior and cabin fitting so I would think it’s too late to defer those at such a late stage now.

That means no more after those 2 are delivered though.
#955888 by Fuzzy14
14 May 2020, 11:41
Fuzzy14 wrote:
rubytuesday wrote:G-VROY been transfered to Glasgow for storage from Gatwick it seems. Rumour has it an A330 is going up to Glasgow tomorrow as well. So that will be 2x 747 and 2x A330 in glasgow


Had a cycle past Glasgow Airport at the weekend, parked up for storage is
2 x 747
1 x A332
Didn't see the other one but then again I wasn't looking for it.


G-VKSS has now moved up to Glasgow
G-VMIK is the A332
G-VXLG and G-VROY are the 744s
#955889 by VS075
14 May 2020, 14:35
mitchja wrote:
flyingfox wrote:I knew of the early retirement of the 747 but don’t think I read elsewhere that VS have deferred delivery of the A351;

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... nistration


That only says 6 being deferred. I believe VS ordered 12 originally didn’t they?

I read somewhere that 2 have almost reached completion at Airbus right up to painting the exterior and cabin fitting so I would think it’s too late to defer those at such a late stage now.

That means no more after those 2 are delivered though.


Assuming all the A330neo's are delivered, I make that 37 aircraft instead of 36 by 2022...

17x 787's
6x A350's
14x A330-900's

Unless come 2022 there will still be some A330-300's in the fleet along with a few A330-900's?

If they're deferred, VS will be able to take delivery of them in the future if/when things pick up again and they have a need for larger aircraft. The fact they're deferring A350's indicates they are foreseeing a short-to-medium term slump in demand that can be serviced with smaller aircraft.

I wonder if Airbus was lenient on VS given they were one of the co-signatories of a letter calling for government support for VS and in the hope they will take all their A330neo's, an aircraft which isn't as big of a seller to date as the A350's. That said, VS won't be the last airline to negotiate deferrals at this time.
#955895 by Dobbo
14 May 2020, 18:28
I’ve been wondering about the velocity of retirements/lease ending and deliveries.

If we assume that the 6x A35K that are being deferred are in fact deferred until after 2022, how might the fleet look in 2022?

A330-200: The leases started in March 2017 per the link below. If the lease was for 4 years they end in 2021 (I assume extended to the end of the summer season). We can therefore assume that these will not be part of the fleet in 2022.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/uk.mobil ... KL9N1IW02C

A330-300: Virgin Atlantic is scheduled to start deliveries A330s between 2011 and 2012, with the lease term of each aircraft lasting 12 years. Unless there is a mechanism for VS to return some or all of these to the leasing company, we can expect these to form part of the fleet.

https://www.flightglobal.com/virgin-atl ... 35.article

A330-900neo: supposedly joining the fleet from 2021. I assume this will be delayed.

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... nsion.html

My best guess is:

B787-900: 17
A35K: 6
A330-300: 10
A330-900: 3 (further deliveries to follow presumably in line with A330-300 coming off lease).
#956069 by muppster
23 May 2020, 19:03
G-VINE which had been stored at Manchester for a couple of months moved down to Heathrow on Thursday and today has flown as VS833P to Ciudad Real, the "ghost airport" south of Madrid.

Seems a strange move?
#956071 by mattyp
23 May 2020, 23:51
muppster wrote:G-VINE which had been stored at Manchester for a couple of months moved down to Heathrow on Thursday and today has flown as VS833P to Ciudad Real, the "ghost airport" south of Madrid.

Seems a strange move?


I am guessing that the storage costs here are a fraction of the LHR costs...
#956073 by v1rotatev2
24 May 2020, 13:12
muppster wrote:G-VINE which had been stored at Manchester for a couple of months moved down to Heathrow on Thursday and today has flown as VS833P to Ciudad Real, the "ghost airport" south of Madrid.

Seems a strange move?


Also, maybe the weather conditions in central Spain are kinder to aircraft storage than in UK.
#956082 by muppster
25 May 2020, 15:54
I guess both of those theories are correct, however this aircraft was at Manchester, and Virgin are moving aircraft TO Manchester from Heathrow for storage, this one went the other way then on to Spain, and is so far a one off move. Is this frame leased under different terms as it was the black sheep of the family when it was farmed off to Ryan International in its early days?
#956096 by VS075
26 May 2020, 11:13
v1rotatev2 wrote:
muppster wrote:G-VINE which had been stored at Manchester for a couple of months moved down to Heathrow on Thursday and today has flown as VS833P to Ciudad Real, the "ghost airport" south of Madrid.

Seems a strange move?


Also, maybe the weather conditions in central Spain are kinder to aircraft storage than in UK.


A post on PPRuNe indicates G-VINE has gone to Ciudad Read for long-term storage...

https://www.pprune.org/airlines-airport ... st10791007

That takes the current fleet to 34 - 17x 787's, 4x A330-200's, 9x A330-300's and 4x A350's.

It makes sense given, as you say, the Spanish climate lends itself better to long-term storage of aircraft than the UK. The usual suspect for aircraft storage in Spain - Teruel - must be pretty full now given other airlines have been storing aircraft there.

I'm not sure if this is the ultimate fate for G-VINE, but apparently there's an aircraft scrapping firm now operating out of Ciudad Real...

http://elmercantil.com/2019/12/21/jet-a ... e-aviones/
#956097 by VS075
26 May 2020, 11:21
muppster wrote:I guess both of those theories are correct, however this aircraft was at Manchester, and Virgin are moving aircraft TO Manchester from Heathrow for storage, this one went the other way then on to Spain, and is so far a one off move. Is this frame leased under different terms as it was the black sheep of the family when it was farmed off to Ryan International in its early days?


It was one of the first of the 10 built which, as you say, was one of 3 sent on lease somewhere as VS only had a need for 2 initially (2 others went on lease to China Airlines). I'm not sure why that one was chosen, but it could still be on lease but selected for storage for other reasons (e.g. close to needing a major check which costs money and requires the aircraft to be out of service for a while).
#956099 by RLF
26 May 2020, 18:11
flyingfox wrote:According to some travel bloggers VS flew all the 747’s into MAN for a final farewell PR thing,I assume the Ruby Blog will run a piece shortly.


I wonder whether VS will keep a couple serviceable and when allowed, run a couple of "Farewell to VS744 " flights - 60/90 minutes MAN/MAN or LHR/LHR?

Could earn a few bob and a lot of PR?
#956101 by mitchja
26 May 2020, 19:00
I doubt there are any plans for the VS 744’s now as I read somewhere they have already started going through their decommissioning process.
#956102 by jakedonson
26 May 2020, 19:18
Per VS instagram account
We’ll be saying goodbye to our 747 aircraft later this year and until we can give them the send off they deserve we’d love to hear your favourite memories onboard in the comments below.⁣

https://www.instagram.com/p/CAqAoqhhA3Q/
Not sure what to make of that but seems like they've got something planned for them (weather revenue based or not).
I'd be curious as to the fate of these aircraft...
#956103 by gumshoe
26 May 2020, 19:29
VS would be very unwise to indulge in unnecessary PR stunts when thousands of its customers are out of pocket waiting for refunds which don’t appear to be forthcoming.
#956104 by mitchja
26 May 2020, 19:34
A couple of the VS 744 airworthiness certificates run out in June as well so those won’t fly again without further maintenance.
#956106 by cheesebag
26 May 2020, 20:11
jakedonson wrote:Per VS instagram account
We’ll be saying goodbye to our 747 aircraft later this year and until we can give them the send off they deserve we’d love to hear your favourite memories onboard in the comments below.⁣

https://www.instagram.com/p/CAqAoqhhA3Q/
Not sure what to make of that but seems like they've got something planned for them (weather revenue based or not).
I'd be curious as to the fate of these aircraft...


Goodbye flights? I did the last ever DC10 flight with Biman from BHX
#956107 by gumshoe
26 May 2020, 20:18
cheesebag wrote:Goodbye flights? I did the last ever DC10 flight with Biman from BHX


Very unlikely in the current climate.

Laying on pointless flights to nowhere for the benefit of a few AvGeeks would look extremely insensitive when thousands of families have had their dream holidays cancelled and are still waiting for their money back.

It’s a PR disaster waiting to happen.
#956115 by VS075
27 May 2020, 09:30
I don't know how true this is, but this indicates G-VGAL is off to Ciudad Read tomorrow and G-VINE will be coming back in its place...

https://twitter.com/SPD_travels/status/ ... 8305380353

If true, maybe G-VINE was positioned there ready to bring the 747 crew back. BA did something similar early-April when they sent several 747's to Teruel for storage and an Airbus followed to bring the crew back.
#956119 by Kraken
27 May 2020, 15:35
As above, the airworthiness certificates on VROY & VAST both expire on 16th June, followed by VXLG on 22nd September. The remaining 4 744's (VROM, VGAL, VLIP & VROS) are all good until the March-May period next year when their certificates expire.

The only aircraft I can potentially see VS extending / renewing the certificate on is VROY. As one of the "Alitalia 5" it is probably leased until early 2021, like the remaining 4 frames.

VAST & VXLG are the oldest two 744's in the fleet & are owned by VS, so they must be fully depreciated on the balance sheet. I can see them following in VBIG's footsteps to St Athan / another scrapper pretty soon.
#956120 by Silver Surfer
27 May 2020, 18:22
G-VROM & G-VROY only arrived back from heavy maintenance on 23rd January and 2nd March respectively, so they should be in excellent condition (they were both at Xiamen for a month).
AFAIK (originally) only G-VAST was scheduled to be retired at the end of this year. Obviously that's changed now.
G-VXLG/VROS/VGAL all had overhauls at Xiamen in the last 3 months of 2019.
Sadly, I think Kraken is right. I can also see G-VAST/VXLG heading for St Athan sooner rather than later.
The other 5 will be returned to GECAS, but I doubt they will fly again.
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