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#451477 by Darren Wheeler
25 Aug 2008, 12:53
Probably waiting in the wings to carry the baggage for the medal winners that BA won't carry because of their 'sporting equipment'

hang gliders
windsurfing boards and sails
water skis exceeding maximum dimensions (H+W+L): 158cm (62in)
surfboards
kayaks, canoes and oars
pole vaults
javelins

http://www.britishairways.com/travel/ba ... blic/en_gb

Foot + bullet.
#451480 by Scrooge
25 Aug 2008, 12:56
It was announced awhile back that BA and VS would be working together to promote the 2012 games.

The big difference is that BA came up with the money to be a Tier 1 sponsor, meaning they paid the IOC money and they have agreed to fly in competitors from poorer countries, something BA is in a better postion than VS to do.

As for where is VS....Do you honestly think SRB is going to let all the PR value go to waste ?
#451484 by locutus
25 Aug 2008, 13:00
Well done to BA for not upgrading Boris on the way out. I bet he gets upgraded on the way back though now it's been in the press.
#451485 by preiffer
25 Aug 2008, 13:25
Funnily, it's been VS who have been supporting all the athletes over the past few years - flying all of TeamGB in Upper whenever space was available. Even up until July, the team were being flown to China/NZ/anywhere, for training trips, with VS.

Then BA come along at the last minute, flying most of them in economy (yes, economy) there and back for the actual games, and still manage to get the shining halo... [n]


It's all B.S.
#451496 by Alex V
25 Aug 2008, 14:37
Originally posted by locutus
Well done to BA for not upgrading Boris on the way out. I bet he gets upgraded on the way back though now it's been in the press.


I would so love to know whether BA actually had any availability for Boris and so this is spun into a cost saving exercise instead of being just another 'dont you know who i am' vip expectation!

Alex[i]
#451497 by moid
25 Aug 2008, 14:39
Well at least when we win the Ryder Cup (sorry to all USA members) it will be VS that get te glory.
#451509 by mas66
25 Aug 2008, 17:38
Originally posted by preiffer
Funnily, it's been VS who have been supporting all the athletes over the past few years - flying all of TeamGB in Upper whenever space was available. Even up until July, the team were being flown to China/NZ/anywhere, for training trips, with VS.

Then BA come along at the last minute, flying most of them in economy (yes, economy) there and back for the actual games, and still manage to get the shining halo... [n]


It's all B.S.


Applying a balanced view to this [:)].... In fairness BA have also been flying athletes around for a long time and BA didnt really 'Come along at the last minute' I think you will find its been planned a while !

As for the class of travel... someone has to fly in Y as they would on VS .... there are only physically so many F and J seats for a very large entourage (some of whom could be described as 'hangers on' rather than athletes). At least BA were able to put the multi gold medal winners in F !

MS [:D]
#451512 by preiffer
25 Aug 2008, 18:01
MS,

I'm not referring to the 'one off' flight that they returned on today.

I'm talking about the 20+ flights that all the athletes used to get out there (they don't all travel out there together) where they were planted in economy seating. The tickets were non-upgradable, no miles allowed to be used even, no nothing. This was on flights where there WERE seats available in W, J & F.

VS, on the other hand, have been ferrying them left right and center for years now with hardly any of the fanfare that BA managed to get out of this.


And yes, I DO know a thing or two about this [;)]
#451513 by soledad-canyon
25 Aug 2008, 18:07
Some would say they were going on holiday to collect flight miles

[:w][:o)]
#451514 by mas66
25 Aug 2008, 18:35
Originally posted by preiffer
MS,

I'm not referring to the 'one off' flight that they returned on today.

I'm talking about the 20+ flights that all the athletes used to get out there (they don't all travel out there together) where they were planted in economy seating. The tickets were non-upgradable, no miles allowed to be used even, no nothing. This was on flights where there WERE seats available in W, J & F.

VS, on the other hand, have been ferrying them left right and center for years now with hardly any of the fanfare that BA managed to get out of this.


And yes, I DO know a thing or two about this [;)]


Im not doubting your intimate knowledge of the TeamGB transport arrangements. Im just maybe trying to illustrate that its not as simple as upgrading EVERYONE in TeamGB.

I was also merely trying to apply a little balance... rather than a clear 'BA Knock' which was not backed up by any hard facts ;)

MS [:D]
#451516 by preiffer
25 Aug 2008, 18:47
Well, the ultimate irony for me (as pointed out by Darren, earlier) is that BA decided to become THE most sport-UNfriendly airline in the world late last year when they put into practice the rules on sporting equipment.

It's not that they charge for carrying sporting goods - they simply WON'T carry certain sporting goods, at all.


So, our olympic windsurfers have just landed back with an airline that will never ever allow them to take their kit with them in the hold (including today, although granted, it's all containered home in this particular case). So whenever they want to go anywhere to train, BA is NEVER an option.

Nice one BA... [ii]
#451520 by Guest
25 Aug 2008, 19:10
Just seen some of our returning athletes on ITV news praising BA and the FIRST product.

I think well doen BA indeed - a huge PR success.
#451555 by Darren Wheeler
26 Aug 2008, 03:05
Originally posted by preiffer
Well, the ultimate irony for me (as pointed out by Darren, earlier) is that BA decided to become THE most sport-UNfriendly airline in the world late last year when they put into practice the rules on sporting equipment.

It's not that they charge for carrying sporting goods - they simply WON'T carry certain sporting goods, at all.


So, our olympic windsurfers have just landed back with an airline that will never ever allow them to take their kit with them in the hold (including today, although granted, it's all containered home in this particular case). So whenever they want to go anywhere to train, BA is NEVER an option.

Nice one BA... [ii]


And strangely, no-one has mentioned that in the press.
#451570 by willd
26 Aug 2008, 10:41
Originally posted by preiffer
MS,

I'm not referring to the 'one off' flight that they returned on today.

I'm talking about the 20+ flights that all the athletes used to get out there (they don't all travel out there together) where they were planted in economy seating. The tickets were non-upgradable, no miles allowed to be used even, no nothing. This was on flights where there WERE seats available in W, J & F.

VS, on the other hand, have been ferrying them left right and center for years now with hardly any of the fanfare that BA managed to get out of this.


And yes, I DO know a thing or two about this [;)]


Are we witnessing the first time the VS PR machine has broken down? Surely they should have made a bit of a fanfare about this. Look at the fuss that they have been making over the Ryder Cup when they have transported them in the past.

The vast majority of track and field athletes all flew out on BA to Hong Kong and then transfered onto Macau.

Paul are you talking about there being no seats for coaches and so they have been sent over to VS to be flown out to HKG or PVG? This is entirely different to Team GB, not all the coaches of athletes are Team GB coaches, thus receive no accreditation and so have to travel as a member of the public so to speak. With regards to training camps, these are organised by the national governing bodies of each sport prior to the official team holding camp in Macau and thus the BA support of Team GB would not come into play.

Certainly I know that UK Athletics have always used BA.

Originally posted by Scrooge
It was announced awhile back that BA and VS would be working together to promote the 2012 games.


I believe this was purely for the bid process. You are correct BA paid the IOC to be a Tier One sponsor for London 2012. Importantly they also have been a tier 1 sponsor to the BOA and have for many years flown athletes around the world with the exception of Athens 2004 when Cyprus Airways were used.
#451575 by preiffer
26 Aug 2008, 11:06
Will,

Not talking about the out and back olympic trip itself (as I previously clarified). I'm on about the training flights over the past few years, right up until July. The list of athletes not using BA is a lot longer than those that were... (or COULD, even, given their equipment rules!)
#451576 by mas66
26 Aug 2008, 11:16
Originally posted by preiffer
Will,

Not talking about the out and back olympic trip itself (as I previously clarified). I'm on about the training flights over the past few years, right up until July. The list of athletes not using BA is a lot longer than those that were... (or COULD, even, given their equipment rules!)


If VS have been flying so many athletes around the world (with all their equipment) for so many years then who is to blame if nobody knows ? surely that rests squarely with VS PR ?

MS [:D]
#451583 by willd
26 Aug 2008, 11:40
Originally posted by preiffer
Not talking about the out and back olympic trip itself (as I previously clarified). I'm on about the training flights over the past few years, right up until July. The list of athletes not using BA is a lot longer than those that were... (or COULD, even, given their equipment rules!)


Im sorry I don't see the problem with this. BA have paid an awful lot of money to sponsor Team GB. They have blocked out at least two flights to the far east and are now getting their reward. I wonder how much of the hotel bill in Macau was covered through money from the BA sponsorship for example.

How is this different to VS who are not the official airline of the PGA (delta is) but will be flying the Ryder Cup team to the US and thus getting all the glory? Like the Olympics and the World Judo championships they are two separate events.

It is up to each national governing body how they get their athletes around out of Olympics time. By being a Tier 1 sponsor of the BOA, BA are not signing up to transporting the judo team everytime they compete or go on a training camp or indeed the sailors or athletes. They are signing up to carry the sailors/judo competitiors when they are representing Team GB at the Olympics.

If VS became the offical carrier to UK Athletics then they would carry the team to next years world champs in Berlin, come the Olympics it would be BA that would carry them.

To be honest, speaking as an athlete who competed abroad, all I was concerned with was getting to the race as cheap as possible. If this meant flying Easyjet then I would.




Originally posted by mas66

If VS have been flying so many athletes around the world (with all their equipment) for so many years then who is to blame if nobody knows ? surely that rests squarely with VS PR ?


Exactly.
#451894 by mas66
27 Aug 2008, 23:41
Taken from FT .... BA apparantly giving .. TeamGB Gold medal winners - BA Exec Club Gold and Silver and Bronze Medal winners will get BA Silver ... all valid until 2012 ...

MS [:D]
#451936 by HighFlyer
28 Aug 2008, 13:43
I was browing through Conde Nast Traveller yesterday (as you do) and noticed that BA have taken out full page adverts with a slogans along the lines of 'carrying the nations dreams' and 'pround to fly our heroes' and so on, with pictures of Olmpic gymnasts and other sporting figures, so they are certainly capitalising on being the airline to bring the heroes home. The adverts were actually quite good, very patriotic with a ribbon twirler twirling the BA blue/red colours [:)]

Thanks,
Sarah
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