Increased Security Measures implemented

There have been elements within the FAA that have been trying to get rid of carry-on luggage for years.
They are milking this opportunity for all its worth!

I don't expect we will see any return to the large bags often found in the US.

The biggest problem would seem to come from clothing however.

It is going to be fun seeing how they start to define that and the 'medical devices'.

No mention of what is allowed in your (coat) pockets.

[Darren Wheeler]

quote:Originally posted by Bill S
quote:Originally posted by Darren Wheeler
It's the last but one line that has me.

Is that the Stradivarius or your incontinence pad?


Wouldn't want to get those two mixed up... Cue old Tommy Cooper routine.

Now confirmed by Transport Canada

quote:Effective immediately, US bound passengers are not allowed to bring carry on bags into the cabin of the aircraft, with some exceptions. Passengers may carry with them the following items: medication or medical devices, small purses, cameras, coats, items for care of infants, laptop computers, crutches, canes, walkers, containers carrying life sustaining items, a special needs item, musical instruments, or diplomatic or consular bags.

and also again
quote:These measures are expected to be in place at least for several days.

This does not seem to be a TSA requirement though:
quote:The purpose of this is to alleviate the immediate pressures at the security checkpoint resulting directly from the temporary emergency measures.

Yep -- the 'no carryon' is Transport Canada acting on their own to try and reduce delays from the full searches of carryon baggage. (I don't see it lasting...)

I also had confirmation from VS along the same lines as James that things were settling back to normal (modulo more at-gate security), so this is welcome news for now!

quote:Originally posted by Bill S
Some indications that tighter carry-on regulations[/url] are on their way.
[quote]
All U.S.-bound guests are also advised that they cannot bring any carry-on baggage, with the following exceptions:

Small purses, diaper bags
Cameras
Coats
Laptop computers
Crutches, canes and walkers
Containers with life-sustaining items
Medication or medical devices
Musical instruments



But wasn't the concealed device some kind of medical device? I thought it was disguised as some kind of alergy pen/syringe! Surely these restriction would not have done anything to avert the last attack; even more so when you know that it wasn't even in his carry on!

The stupidity astounds me.

Paul

There seems to be little point in adding all these extra measures if the existing ones aren't being properly implemented. While I realise security is of course vital, it seems to me that, yet again, it's been a knee-jerk reaction.

This guy had already been identified as dodgy, wouldn't it make more sense to make sure that he'd been prevented from flying, as he should have been? Again, it's us, the little people, who are being delayed from going about our business.

[mitchja]

Just though the extra gate security here. Involved a complete bag search and full pat-down (I've had worse in other airports TBH). It's taking about 2 extra minutes per pax.

Running about 50 mins late so far.

Regards

some interesting comments here about the new full body scanners.

quote:Amsterdam's Schiphol has 15 body scanners, but their use has been limited because of privacy objections that they display the contours of the passenger's body. Neither the European Union nor the US have approved the routine use of the scanners.


New software, however, eliminates that problem by projecting a stylized image onto a computer screen, highlighting the area of the body where objects are concealed in pockets or under the clothing and alerting security guards.

Sounds like a good step forward, and maybe will help with the issues these have faced, like not allowing children to use it, and avoiding the pat-down.

Anyone know if they are enforcing the 100ml rule at the gate? I'm planning on buying some real Coke once airside so I don't have to suffer that nasty Virgin Cola they serve onboard.

-Steve

good point - i was planning on buying some pongo and razor blades in duty free

We travelled out of T5 this morning and I was expecting the worse. Apart from the miserable BA check in guy security was a pure delight. Absolutley no queues in either North or South channel. Apart from the shoes off no other changes. No pat down for adults or children and very very friendly staff. I was gobsmacked. No security at gate either. Ok this was an intra Europe flight but even the main security was very relaxed.
I do not often say this but well done BAA[y]

Iain

For once most pax are in agreement with the need for security. They are treating the security guys as people rather than an unnecessary evil. So many of them are actually enjoying their job.

Unfortunately there will still be the numpties & goons amongst them that will eventually ruin it for all of us.
The only solution I can see is a mechanism where pax. can complain about inappropriate behaviour without fear.
Weed out those few and concentrate on training the rest.

Whatever mechanical systems are put in place, it is the human side and the people who run the system that are all-important. Anyone who has been through TLV security will have seen the difference.

On an internal US flighht out of LAX. All procedures for internal US flights as normal. (Except all shoes off).

Been here since boxing day (the outbound VS flight was day one of the new security). The Christmas Day attempted bombing has been leading all the news networks ever since. There is huge pressure on the President and Congress for lots more measures (including profiling). The American's appear to feel they are under attack and have no real problem with increased security.

[Scrooge]

quote:Originally posted by crobinson99
On an internal US flighht out of LAX. All procedures for internal US flights as normal. (Except all shoes off).




Shoes off for internal flights is a normal thing over here.

quote:Originally posted by mitchja
Just though the extra gate security here. Involved a complete bag search and full pat-down (I've had worse in other airports TBH). It's taking about 2 extra minutes per pax.

Running about 50 mins late so far.

Regards


Same here - we were 1 hour 30 mins late takeoff due to above and had to remain in our seats for last hour(+).

No extra security in my US domestic connecting flight[:?]

Shoes ON for both flights - laptops (and battery out in UK) out.

NO priority boarding - been suspended for all so advised to wait till second call and worked a treat.

No problems at all if they want to use extra security measures - its for my protection after all. In fact the thought of the new body scanners is a good insentive to go on the long awaited diet !!!

[mitchja]

quote:Originally posted by Stevieboy
Anyone know if they are enforcing the 100ml rule at the gate? I'm planning on buying some real Coke once airside so I don't have to suffer that nasty Virgin Cola they serve onboard.

-Steve


I had a bottle of water in my bag, which was not taken off me. I was asked if I had any food and I mentioned the water which was fine. I also had some Scooby snacks (a chocolate bar and a bag of crisps) which was also allowed on-board.

Also the the last 1 hour lock-down rule thing here too where everything had to be away in the over-head lockers. You weren't even allowed to read anything.

The crew where very apologetic though-out.

The Skymap was also working the entire flight though [?]

Regards

[Nottingham Nick]

The TSA is NOT happy that the memo that features earlier in the thread was leaked.
It has subpoenaed two bloggers in an attempt to find the leak.

Full story in USAToday.

Nick

quote:Originally posted by Nottingham Nick
The TSA is NOT happy that the memo that features earlier in the thread was leaked.
It has subpoenaed two bloggers in an attempt to find the leak.

Full story in USAToday.

Nick

[:#]
Detailed description of the visitations here.[:#]
A little late with over 5,000 copies out there.

[Darren Wheeler]

More changes to come?

Knees at the ready and, jerk!!!

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8436758.stm

You have to wonder - all these security procedures circumvented by the capacious covert capacity of a pair of y fronts.

I imagine M and S will soon bring out an 'air travel approved range'!

No measures they put in place (barring strip searching everyone and keeping people in cell like inclosures in departues with no shops) will stop someone who's determined. I was talking to a friend at work today and we were saying how it is ever so simple for damage to be done with things you're allowed to take onboard and things you can buy in shops airside.

I understand that the temporary rules put in place on board are now at the captain's discretion - anyone know why VS is still implementing the 1hr+ pre-landing lock down? That's one that really irritates me ...

Slinky,

I can only state the obvious and say it's probably what the pilots discretion has chosen... [;)]

Is going secure 30 mins early really an issue provided you haven't been kept seated due to turbulence for some time before?
Turbulence can last well over an hour.
Look how long it can sometimes take to get 450 pax seated and cabin secure normally.

It is however good that the Captain does have discretion that can be used when conditions are bad.

VS are not alone in this - BA are operating the same protocol.