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#865101 by whiterose
22 Jan 2014, 13:04
Hello everyone, newbie here, very new, but I’ve been reading posts for some years, getting info, help and smiles thank you. Never posted about our own flights, never thought they’d be of interest really.

April Fool’s Day sees not just the T60/T90 change. Have times after that date changed on your usual flights and, crucially, have the 747s vanished? They have on LHR/EWR and I’m gutted.

OH and I fly twice a year LHR/EWR to visit family in New Jersey. We’re spending our own money here, not business flying, so best we can do is P/E which gives himself leg room and panders to my delusions of grandeur. We did once, just once, amass enough airmiles for U/C on the outward leg. LHR CH, Cowshed spa, peace & quiet, endless champers and then life in the wonderful pointy end of the 747, those individual seats, the good food, the champers again, the bar, the peace and quiet of that small, private cabin – this is the life I was made for.

But usually it’s VS1 outward bound in P/E – never had a bad flight. Because we can’t spring for U/C, we don’t come back on that plane with the overnight flight, can't manage to sleep sitting up/reclining (we've tried it), so we fly back daytime in P/E on VS18 on the dreaded Airbus 330. And have NEVER had a good flight, no honestly. We’ve had broken seat arms, broken tray tables, always awful food, last time I had a blanket I’m convinced someone had used as a sick bag, and every time, but every time, the guy in front does full recline for the entire trip. Yes I know he’s entitled to do that. And the aircraft seem to be the oldest in the fleet, looking tired and in need of refurbishment. Cabin crew last time said it’s not a popular flight and they get lots of complaints so it’s not just me.

However, I've been hugging myself with glee because we have amassed enough airmiles with flights and Virgin credit cards to do U/C both ways next time, so we’ll do the 747 overnight back on the flat beds. And LHR CH and EWR CH – yes I know that’s not much more than a fitted wardrobe apparently but I’ll take it even if you won’t!

So we’re canvassing dates with family and looking at May. But hang on, what’s this. The flight times have all changed, so instead of afternoon flight out, it’s 9.45 am which means a very early start and (even for me) less inclination for champers in CH. But worst of all, every flight, no matter what time, out and back, is the appalling Airbus 330.

Only LHR/JFK has 747s and it’s not a realistic option for us – means at least a 2 hour drive through Manhattan instead of 25 minutes from EWR so no contest.

So please shed a tear with me that we have airmiles for U/C and no pointy end on the 747, just the ghastly Airbus 330 with that huge U/C cabin with four across for this time and P/E in an Airbus 330 both ways normally. Pass me the tissues.
#865102 by gumshoe
22 Jan 2014, 13:20
I think many V-Flyers would join you in shedding a tear.

But the harsh reality is aviation has moved on and the 747 is now seen as an aging dinosaur by most airlines which are steadily replacing them with cheaper, greener models.

It does seem strange though that in some respects aviation seems to be going backwards - planes are getting slower and smaller.
#865107 by virginboy747
22 Jan 2014, 15:08
The 747 moves with the summer schedule from the VS 1 to the VS 9 giving JFK two 747s a day (vs 9 and 45) and yes both EWRs are on 330s with the VS 1 moving to 09;45 departure from LHR
#865109 by HWVlover
22 Jan 2014, 15:18
gumshoe wrote:It does seem strange though that in some respects aviation seems to be going backwards - planes are getting slower and smaller.


You haven't been on a 380 then. :)
#865130 by gumshoe
22 Jan 2014, 18:56
HWVlover wrote:You haven't been on a 380 then. :)


No, fair point! But the only airlines buying those are those with the routes & year-round loads to justify them and/or piles of cash to splash. VS has neither.
#865134 by clarkeysntfc
22 Jan 2014, 19:42
Capacity reallocation away from EWR to JFK is inevitable given the DL hub status of the latter.

BA have significantly more capacity to JFK for the same reason.

UA is the reverse.
#865136 by ratechaser
22 Jan 2014, 19:49
Yes, I've just realised to my horror that I'm on a 333 on my next flight to EWR, and that's after I swore to myself (and probably at other people) that I would never ever sit in that sardine tin that is the UCDS ever again. :(!

Really should have paid more attention while booking. At least I have my beloved 19A on a 744 on the way back...
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